Dr. Ivan Misner was looking for more business so he set up a business networking meeting. What happened next he didn’t anticipate. Dave Young: Welcome to the Empire Builders Podcast, teaching business owners the not so secret techniques that took famous businesses from mom and pop to major brands. Stephen Semple is a marketing consultant, story collector, and storyteller. I’m Stephen’s sidekick and business partner, Dave Young. Before we get into today’s episode, word from our sponsor, which is, well, it’s us, but we’re highlighting ads we’ve written and produced for our clients. So here’s one of those. [Kooler Garage Door Ad] Stephen Semple: Hey, it’s Steven Semple here for another episode of the Empire Builders Podcast. And Dave Young hasn’t joined us today, but I’m really excited by the guest that we have for today. We have Dr. Ivan Misner and boy, this is going to be an exciting story. So Dr. Misner started an organization called BNI. I’m sure many of you are familiar with it, but those of you who aren’t, let me give you an idea of how much of an empire this is. According to the information I have, over 350,000 members, close to 12,000 chapters, 78 countries, annual member-generated business, almost north of $25 billion. I used to be in a BNI chapter, and in fact, I used to run a BNI chapter many, many years ago. The average chapter size is 30 members. That is just massive, especially when you consider it was founded in 1985, and as we were talking about before hitting the recording, out of your garage. Dr. Ivan Misner: Yeah, my garage and just a room above my garage. Stephen Semple: Oh, well, there you go. You started in the lap of luxury, room above your garage. But when you think about that, that’s like 12,000 weekly meetings happening around the world. Dr. Ivan Misner: That’s exactly it. Every week. And you mentioned 25 billion, in the last 12 months, it’s 27 billion in what we call thank you for closed business. And what I think is important to say is that’s not how much money the company has generated, that’s how much money the members reported that they generated in referrals. Now, what I love about that number is, Stephen, if you take a look at the United Nations estimates of GDP, UN estimates of GDP, there are actually a hundred countries in the world, a hundred countries in the world with a lower GDP than what BNI generated for its members last year. Stephen Semple: That is just a remarkable number, just absolutely remarkable number. So tell me a little bit, because there is an interesting story here in terms of how you got started. So what started this? Oh, and the last thing I want to say is when we think about this in terms of institutions, in terms of whether it’s business referrals or business groups, this makes it one of the largest in the world. I think I’d be hard-pressed to find something that rivals the size. Dr. Ivan Misner: In person, you’re correct. We are the largest referral marketing platform in the world. Online, you can get a lot of people online, but we, as you said, have over 350,000 members who meet every week in person. Some of them are Zoom meetings now, and some are hybrid, but most of our groups still meet in person. Stephen Semple: And I think the thing that I’d like to stress just for listeners to understand is there’s lots of places that will have lots of members and the 80/20 rule. Some members are active, some members are not active. But in BNI, for you to be a member, you have to be active. You have to show up, you have to participate. So when somebody like BNI says, “We’ve got over 350,000 members,” that’s a real number. Dr.
